# Menagerie Card Help **URL:** https://forum.menagerie.team/t/menagerie-card-help/942 **Category:** Menagerie RPG **Tags:** art, sotm-cards **Created:** [October 5, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forum.menagerie.team/t/menagerie-card-help/942 "2020-10-05T00:06:43Z") **Posts on this page:** 1 **Showing post:** 140
### Author: ![insomn14](https://forum.menagerie.team/user_avatar/forum.menagerie.team/insomn14/32/5949_2.png) [@insomn14](https://forum.menagerie.team/u/insomn14) #### Post date: [January 21, 2023, 2:57am UTC](https://forum.menagerie.team/t/menagerie-card-help/942/140 "2023-01-21T02:57:37Z")
> [@Dave](#): > > Not sure how this works in the context you have, but when we talk about Variant in terms of timeline alternatives, then there’s certainly room for an out-and-out villainous Charade – “ **Father’s Daughter** ” (while Chin was still alive, spy/assassin; some overlap with Secret Origins version) and “ **Heir To Chin** ” (the commander of many mooks, though not above getting her hands dirty). Yeah, I think the Secret Origins variant (as planned) has enough overlap with those ideas that, while they wouldn’t be superfluous, they at least would muddy the waters on the “variant of Alycia when she was still a baddie” theme. Though if I could fit in a villain variant of Alycia being in place of say Pyrrhus, I think that might have some legs. 😈 > [@Dave](#): > > Young Jason should have crazy things happen around him, too – almost becoming his cartoon character alternate, including his dog being suspiciously intelligent. Also, we need a generic “Deus ex Patriae” kind of card where Jason gets some sort of defense or rescue from some gadget from his dad. Young Jason Helicopter Parent (power): \< add in some overprotective effect later \> > [@Dave](#): > > Riffing off the villain side of thing, Quillverse Quill would make a good one – the tired villainous mastermind who thinks himself a misunderstood hero, not realizing how far he’s fallen; controls a lot of resources and tech, but vulnerable to psychic attack (hmmm, maybe can also invoke powerful sub-villains but then strikes against them, too). I see someone has been snooping through my notes of the Quillverse Jason villain. 😆 Expanding on this, I was planning on a lot of this: Jason waiting in the wings, masterminding things while his minions do the heavy lifting. From the game, we already have (a somehow brought to heel) ~~Sablestar~~ Enora Dralis and a gem man named Fracture whose abilities greatly resemble Fractal’s to the point I think at least I if not other speculated that they were derived from her, because let’s throw human experimentation on top of everything else Evil Jason has done. I’m sure we can come up with a couple more to round out his entourage (especially if Bill thinks D-SOL-8 might have been under the employ of Jason before coming to our present). Quillverse Jason is definitely one of the villains I’m most looking forward to designing, though I will need to be smart about it because while there are thematic differences between Quillverse Jason, Clockwork, and Pyrrhus, it would be really easy to make all of them similar from a mechanics standpoint. > [@garrett](#): > > Independence Day kid icon Mercury! I know you’re probably kidding but it’d be tempting just to write out the events of Harry stopping cattle rustlers in Wyoming for the bio. 😆 > [@garrett](#): > > If variants can include ancestors, Manny sailed under a “Captain Quill” on a round-the-world voyage of adventure, and that name isn’t a coincidence. They certainly can and it could be appropriate, depending on how the story with Charlotte goes. 🤔 Hmm, it could also be interesting to do a whole set of Time War (or some otherwise temporally themed) variants to include versions of characters from different timelines and eras, like Captain Quill for Jason, [Magus ~~Max Galliard~~](https://forum.menagerie.team/t/227-the-magic-kingdom/1120/5) Milo Lum for Ghost Girl, and probably others. We’ll put a pin in that one for now. --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.menagerie.team/t/menagerie-card-help/942)._